To me, working on improving distance happens only after theyve advanced beyond the AMA category. Jordan Spieth whats in the bag accurate as of the Presidents Cup. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. the TrackMan numbers below. There he became one of the storied programs most decorated athletes being named Phil Mickelson Freshman of the Year, Jack Nicklaus Player of the Year, the Haskins Award Winner as the most outstanding player in collegiate and amateur golf, and capped his collegiate career by helping the Crimson Tide win their first National Championship in 2013. Distance to Apex 195.9 I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. Srixon WG-706 56 w/ Nippon Modus Prototype C10 S [/quote] I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] [/quote] 52* & 58* Callaway MD2 // S-300 Hitting long irons or hybrids into all of the par 4s does not set the AMA up for an enjoyable day on the golf course. work on your short game. I am a 35 year old AMA at a 15. The false fronts, forced carries, and deep protecting bunkers are too difficult for the AMA to deal with. Their delivery will be erratic and Vokey is a bladed wedge which offers little help in the forgiveness department. Again, I would certainly encourage you to get fitted for these due to the variations on offer and especially get fitted on grass as a mat does not give any useful feedback on interaction needed for bounce and grind. Its about 20% less when comparing PGA vs LPGA. Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high There is the same classic stamping on the sole with the BV logo in the middle, SM9 written towards the toe and Vokey Design nearer the heel. Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. [/quote] Just would be interesting to see. The ball shoots from the face and you lose the control of the ball. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. Yes! The flight is reduced and the spin still remains. How can that be true. However the pros have what is called a stock yardage for their irons, which equates essentially to the average distance they will hit a full shot with each iron swinging normally. Sure, I see guys hitting 250-300 yards, but they are far from the norm. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. I still feel these are better players clubs for 15 handicappers or below as they are bladed heads which require you to deliver the club consistently and strike the centre of the face. The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. The strike felt tight knit and the spin was better than my SM8 52 degree wedge. 398 were here. Carry Distance 302.9 Launch Angle 11.28 I am disabled now and dont play at all but i had a spinal fusion and two rods put in my back when i was a teenager. I hit the same. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer I blame it on TV coverage. Why gather data from an elite course where people line up to play when that is far from representative of what most people are doing? ?, G#"% y\$)3(Q|1$xNyt7"g \)hEhH-hFtL+x Since SM6 Vokeys have evolved subtly to be exactly what tour players want. He is giving up 30 yards of total distance off the tee, which makes his approach shots more difficult. Knowing tee shot distances and iron distances helps with that. There is CG shift between lofts and there is a progressive hosel length in the wedges to balance out weight distribution. The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. 714 AP2 4-p Either way I don't care. Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. Its important to know what grass you play, what course you play (be it links or parkland) and how you deliver the club at impact (steep or shallow). Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. You just have to be fit correctly and learn how to deliver the club better to the ball, and i shoot low 70s and i hit the ball 245 yards with ZERO roll in Thailand so it can be done. Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) Length is nothing. Do All Golf Balls Go the Same Distance? TrackMan session with Justin Rose and Sean Foley - YouTube 0:00 / 5:10 TrackMan session with Justin Rose and Sean Foley 158,856 views Feb 26, 2013 See how WebSee how The Honda Classic Justin Thomas Trackman numbers look https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/ Hamish777, March 26, 2013 in WRX Club Techs. My handicap is 24, but my driving (swing) works well. The title would be just as useful as well. [/quote] So next time the announcer says that someone is hitting a 5 iron from 223, keep in mind that its mostly conditions, and note where the ball actually carries. Club Speed 113 mph Ball Speed 166 mph Attack Angle -1 deg Launch Angle 12 deg Spin Rate 2298 rpm Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021), link to What Driver is Most Used On the PGA Tour? it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Dear friend, do anyone here user Taylormade RSI 1 Irons. It will make it a lot easier to give a qualified answer if we have all the numbers :-). [/quote] 5 0 obj Well I certainly feel hood about how I played when i did. why you did not work that out or your friends did not suggest it I dont know. In the following table the list shows how far a selection of PGA and LPGA Tour pros hit their 3-wood, 5-wood and hybrid clubs. I think this is very interesting but misleading. Yet I hit my driver 230 yards to what they say is average, 214. I dont want my Vokeys to look different to the past designs, I barely want them to perform differently either as you want reliability around the greens. Trackman is pretty interesting, obviously path and angle of attack change depending on the shot your trying to shape. At the Sony Open, Thomas became the youngest player to shoot 59 on the PGA TOUR and broke the TOURs 72-hole scoring record by a stroke. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. They hit 52 gap wedges a stock carry distance of between 126 and 135 yards and carry 56 sand wedges an average distance of 119 to 124 yards. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. Im 46 years old and dont think my 95 mph swing speed will increase that dramatically without throwing rhythm off. I agree with you 100%. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ball Speed - 185 mph[/background][/size][/color] PGA, Executive Director, Golf House Kentucky | Kentucky Golf Foundation. Impacting the game through junior golf programs has always been an important part of his charitable giving. Very interesting but sort of depressing article. Graeme started playing golf when he was only 4 years old and has loved the game ever since. That means the par 4s would average 395 yards. Or should i take control on the distance i have? I suppose you have the biggest and fastest car as well ? My hunch its even bigger for AFA vs AMA? Your ball speed is a little low which could indicate an off-center strike. When its hit well I have hit enough times in the 260-270 range so Im probably in that 95 mph swing speed range. Imagine throwing darts as the commentary teams say on television. I went into a facility with Trackman launch monitors and have attached timestamp='1364355784' post='6704107'] By comparison a 5-wood carries 235 yards and hit a 3 hybrid, which measures from 19 to 21, an average carry distance of 230 yards. Carry Efficiency 2.51 While golf has given Justin a career he thoroughly enjoys, he knows the life lessons golf can provide. To fix that we changed to the new wedge with fresh grooves and made it a degree flatter to straighten my flight up. I actually feel I get more out irons than I do the woods. 915 FD Clear editor. The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. Shafts:KBS Tour 125 S+, Putter: TaylorMade Spider GT also his AoD on the stinger. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] The way forward has to be more tighter averages with the driver maximising my best yardage from the swing speed I have. 5 Testers Needed! Please limit the number of items and requests. This is so I could hit it higher and spin it more, enabling me to access that tough pin position. X-Forged UT (#3- 21)- DG X700 I have always wanted a push draw and now i can see the light in the tunnel. Required fields are marked *. For 6-irons the average is 188 yards, for 7-irons it is 177 yards and 8-irons, 9-irons and pitching wedges go 164, 153 and 141 yards respectively. If it's a really short par 4, I will hit an iron, hybrid, or fairway wood to play to that ideal distance range. Top 50 Player Breakdown, What Irons Do LPGA Players Use? Most of my longer clubs only just creep above the 200 yd mark. And that was 12 years ago. Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. Due to the large volume of autograph requests, fulfillment of requests is not guaranteed. Web27K views, 94 likes, 1 loves, 33 comments, 13 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from TrackMan: Congratulations to Justin Thomas, winning the CJ Cup! I think you wish you hit it further. There are golfers out there who are scratch only hitting the ball 200-250. You can use our TrackMan Locatortofind your local TrackMan certified and ask for a combine test. Do you have Average Female Amature driver swing speed? What is evident is you obviously don't play with good amateur players. Total Distance Efficiency 2.484 The challenge is, improving your distance is a slow and arduous process. Youd be correct and that is why its always best to get fitted and discuss purchases with your pro. TSi2 18, VTS Silver 8xMizuno MP Fli Hi 21, Recoil 110MP-20 MMC 5-P,DG X100SM850F, 54S, 58MPXGCloser Gen 2Tour BX. Executive Director, The First Tee of Louisville, Jennifer Helgeson I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high [quote name='GooseHook' timestamp='1364385234' post='6705065'] I am guarded from the bladed strike when hitting the lob shot which then builds a trust and compliment to my short game. Im wondering if there are outliers here?. When you account for factors such as wind, elevation, ground conditions and also the context in which the shot is being played Koepka, like all the pros, has a number of options for each iron shot which makes the question of how far he hits each iron a bit more complex than at first you may think. With the AMA averaging 30 yards less than his potential, there is a lot of room for improvement. You can check the combine driver stats here: https://mytrackman.com/#combine. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] It has to do with my ability. My longest drive was 270. Exactly, I had the same perception in mind too. With all the new technology that is now available in Drivers since this article came out, do you plan on updating the information. Dont think they ever release that stuff. It is vital for them to know exactly how far they hit their wedges with a variety of different types of shots because feel is so important from those short distances, especially at the top level of the game, where a yard or two can make the difference between winning or losing a tournament. GHIN reported the average male handicap at 15.3 in 2003 and 14.3 in 2012. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364408786' post='6708081'] Titleist SM5 52-08 & 58-07 S400's WebThis is Justin Thomas TrackMan Numbers How does yours Compare? If length was a determing factor for professional status then we'd have the Wedge players tour and not the Long Drivers tour. People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. This demonstrates that without changing technique and only changing strategy, the AMA can improve their performance. 100% of all funds raised with be used to make a constructive and quality impact for a deserving child, family or charity. RocketBladez Tour 4-PW // C-Taper Apex Height 112' 11" I then picked up the lob wedge, historically as a two wedge player I need high versatility with this club as it is 6 degrees more lofted than my 52. The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. I don't play professional golf. [/quote] How about heading out to Wedgefield in Georgetown, SC? PGA Tour players hit their driver a total of 296.6 yards on average with a carry distance of 284.3 yards according to official 2022 Shotlink data. But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. I don't play professional golf. Yes, typically very short drivers of the ball are better iron players or wedge players. I appreciate your thoughts, great article. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] [/quote] Thomas, who was born and raised in Goshen, KY, played collegiate golf for the Alabama Crimson Tide. The above statements were [i]only[/i] about length. Club head speed is around 90 MPH giving me a distance of 214 yrds. I figured that out years ago based on hole distance and yardage to the flag after my tee shot. Victoria II. Well, they say that If you practice more and more youll get better and better. Sorry for the ramble. Mine isnt that much higher and i hit driver 275 yards. Justin Thomas is one of the most exciting and popular golfers on the PGA TOUR. Oddly, I bet you find that you do NOT score significantly better than your handicap even though the distances are short. The performance of these wedges really was impressive. Thankfully also the SM9s dont seem to be ripping the cover off your ball, but looking at the Trackman numbers the backspin was high which you'd expect from the milled grooves. Cameron Napa California @ 34"[/b]. Knowing what club to hit based on distance and the safest place to aim based on dispersion tendencies will undoubtedly benefit the golfer. Standard 60 lob wedges meanwhile carry 95 to 105 yards on average. You will probably pick up that I gravitate towards the technical aspects of most things I do. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. Looking at how far pros hit their irons is a much easier task these days due to all the tracking technology that exists however it still does not make it an exact science. Jordan Spieth WITB 2021 (May Charles Schwab Challenge), Jordan Spieth WITB: 2020 Farmers Insurance Open, Jordan Spieth winning WITB: 2022 RBC Heritage, WITB Time Machine: Jordan Spieths 2015 John Deere Classic winning WITB. 200 to 225 yards. 1700 Broadway, Floor 29, New York, NY 10019, 2020 Justin Thomas. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! I would guess those numbers are pretty much all-out, perfect contact, carry distances. I feel pretty confidant in saying that those aren't his stoc How Often Do Pros Hit Driver? That tells If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. The longest player hits it 320 yards If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The trend right now with wedge play for all manufacturers is lowering the ball flight on the full shots. Both wedges I could spin and release depending on the swing I put on the shot, I was especially a fan of the lob wedge chip shot which stopped on the second bounce. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. They were consistently breaking 80 if not the mid 70s and almost every time hit their drives relatively straight and 275 to over 300 yards without a problem and doing it from the blue or blacks . In other words the distance from where they hit the ball to the point of impact on the ground. It's not the length that makes a pro. However, the vast majority of the time I spend with my students that would fall into the AMA category is spent on working out the kinks in their swing (to help them hit straighter shots more consistently) and helping them with better contact with the golf ball. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. G.O.A.T.? Trap draw? That's not Justin, that's Johnny. There is nothing worse than getting the club stuck in the ground at impact. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. You dont need to be depressed your swing speed is high enough to play very good golf. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. You cannot paste images directly. Your link has been automatically embedded. =t 'BRvGGs.Du="dP0 J/% Np^=+,5I,F5HH#418y\PuQ5) x9.>5?2P5@B$bz.k^OY<>Vf.%,(H8,~f3YzWBpj|!8K^E`$D &XP9gBTl+= Tg{\(k@bW6o9e:&x$hx"o0@:+}UnMD($R*3|>M}18&oA>m Ed&Z):Y{J|'@*bT6|QNbge2RU'02_^^{ [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] %PDF-1.5 There isnt anybody who wouldnt like to be able to hit the ball further. Cobra Radspeed 5W RDX Blue, Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4i Tour AD DI [/quote] [/quote] And I suppose they hit it relatively far, but nearly the distances that the public thinks. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. And for those golfers looking to make more substantial improvements to their game, the TrackMan Combine provides a roadmap for the improvement journey and accurate, immediate feedback at all checkpoints / stops along the way. I played Monday and hit my 1st 3 drives over 300 and in the fairway. My question is my average D is +5.3, 6I is +3.5 and 8I is +2.1. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. And when it comes to how far Tiger Woods, arguably the greatest iron player of all time, hits his irons? [/quote] Id estimate the average tour player will hit their basic solid drive between 295-310 under neutral conditions.