Take me to the stars and tell me a story. Well second most after Burnam , she was fine in season 1 and 2.past 2 seasons theyve rushed her character developmentsame with michael.the vulcan minded human became human real fast. Even though he is one of the worst characters in Trek, he was the main focus in arguably the best episode of Voyager: Timeless. To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. She wears 36D bra size and weighs 147 pounds. No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. Thats the whole point why they wanted HER to teach at the newly formed Academy They wanted someone with the original 23rd century optimism and enthusiasm I share that notion a lot And yeah, Im glad Starfleet doesnt work like actual military, And no, S3 was not stupidity. Overweight and obesity are not a matter of looks or body shape, and those who feel free to body-shame are off-side and frequently unkind. Remember , they had steroids and thyroid problems in the 80's, but the majority of people were off normal weight, which today would be called skinny. And for your own gain, right? Between Marys comments about how Tilly internalizes her experiences as acting First Officer and Captain and the fact that we see Gen Rhys in the big chair in one of the early production stills, does anyone think that Discovery might get Treks first regular series Asian First Officer? Tilly is Trekdom. It is their choice to be as they choose to be, and their responsibility to deal with the pros and cons of whatever fitness choices they choose. A rare, successful example of this is James Gunns Guardians otG and Suicide Squad, in which a similar premise is treated comedically yet with a touch of sincerity, so as not to devolve into outright farce. I think people need that kind of thing to heal. He was a cool character and one of the best things about season 3. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? 71 comments so far. I agree, in fairness Barclay was relatable in many ways, socially awkward but not too overplayed. I think the CW has been using something like this for years. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. As an actor of 20 years myself I can say for SMG that her acting ability is affected by her accent and delivery due to her accent . Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. Why does the therapist appear to outrank the CMO? Youre perfect as you are. That one ship generates more energy than present-day Earths entire human energy expenditure, generates its own artificial gravity, and violates causality routinely. Im proud to be here and I am proud to wear my skin-tight costume and proud of my body. Happy to have your wit, enthusiasm, & talent as part of the franchise. Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? There is also the issue that a crew needing constant therapy sessions while regularly saving the galaxy is not an easy narrative trick to pull off. Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. Find more stories on theStar Trek Universe. The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous place, and the remnants of species and societies that survived around the edges of the Borg network and incursions were harsh and justifiably skeptical of the Federations. Thats just a matter of preference. I think Saru holds out as being the most consistent, and Tilly is close, but not quite. I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is. lol ;). This modern trend of celebrating obesity is what is wrong with American society, and is another reason why the rest of the world laughs at America. Watch as SFX makeup transforms Doug Jones into Saru for Star Trek: Discovery. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. By being visible on your TV screen? Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. But the show almost seems to go out of its way every season for some of the dumbest story points you can think of. But my initial annoyed response to DISCO in particular, well, Ive let go of that in the past two years, as life is too short to get all worked-up angry over personal quibbles with a tv show. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. Many smoke to keep the weight off. And yeah the Full Circle stories do sound a bit depressing especially since SPOILER ALERT they kill off Janeway in them! It is not yet known what role, if any, Wisemans Tilly would have in the upcoming season, with possibilities ranging from guest or recurring character to becoming a series regular again. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and Blu del Barrio reflect on their character's journeys and the possibilities ahead. However, the problem with Tilly (and this really is more of a Star Trek Discovery problem because it exists with every character they do this to) is that she never made strides or attempts to improve. We have no information that Beyer consults in this show. Story: With . Its one thing thats definitely been improved upon by the more recent stuff. The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. | November 13, 2021 | I thought her arc was going to end with her being booted from the service for repeatedly failing physical fitness tests? And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. Shes beyond perfect with her line delivery. She is relatable and human and wonderful. After his first episode or two, I was done with Barclay and was frustrated when he came back, and especially when he showed up on Voyager. Im sorry youve had to experience that and I strongly urge you to take what comfort you can from whatever source you can, regardless of how other people feel about that source. Its 2020 and were taking any more of your sh!t. She strikes me as no different than Barkley. Oh, I think its fine they had a counselor on the SHIP; I just think its weird they had her on the BRIDGE. I dont think Tilly is ruined. I think Mary Wiseman is a fantastic actress..the writing for Tilly is an abomination. Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. Great interview, Dawn. All are different. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. That said, I know people can be cruel and I am even worried bringing up this topic for fear of the idiot fringe piling on, but I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. Not everyone is going to agree with you in life but to accuse others of sullying the memories of people they didnt know existed until you replied to their posts may provoke far more negative responses. Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. The Trek Collective has a flowchart for the Litverse which is helpful. Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. What a surprise. Im sorry but what youve described about Tilly is like something out of a Nickelodeon teen high school drama. Rather than shaming them or acting like there are only a few kinds of women worth aspiring to be. Ive learned a lot of bad spelling comes from dictating into your smartphone. In general, the Litverse kicks off with the TNG A Time to series that fills in events between the movies Insurrection and Nemesis. Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). Since you said mum Im going to assume youre in the UK, and I can personally confirm that you can get some great help, including face to face therapy, through the NHS, for free. She is super meta. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. I keep reading she shouldnt be in Starfleet because she is socially and emotionally immature. But of course this being Star Trek they SPOILER ALERT bring her back to life! Shes loved. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. Tilly once thought being captain was her biggest dream, but after a . I would encourage her to do the same. I like the way you think! The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. each series has traditionally had someone that acts as a way to explore the inner humanityie spock, data, odo, doc/seven. Where is this? When all evidence points to her character not being loved or even liked (the actress is fine; shes been poorly handled by the writers (Michelle Paradise). Exactly. By: TrekMovie.com Staff You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. Mary Wiseman is confirmed to return as Sylvia Tilly in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, although whether she rejoins the crew or continues at Starfleet Academy and only interjects occasionally remains unknown. I wasnt complaining there were therapists on board. Im sure nearly everyone of the crew of TNG had issues and problems. Against all odds, shes in Starfleet and thriving. I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. Overcome her issues. In CanadaDiscoveryis broadcast on CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. I absolutely love Tilly/Killy. That promise was. Before we move on to SuKal this Thursday, there are still some bits to catch up on from the Terra Firma arc of Star Trek: Discovery. Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. It means something to me. Wiseman possess voluptuous hourglass shaped figure. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. I basically just know the books that gets discussed or reviewed here. The actress also discussed how Killy inspires some fans: Killy is somebody whos very important to a lot of fans, especially my curvy women out there who like to see another full-figured, fat, curvy, chunky woman get to feel powerful and use that size to command authority, said Wiseman. Absolutely. Anyway it was just a thought. David Ajala: Yeah. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. Although it is true that on *average*, overweight people are less healthy than other people, it is also entirely possible to be overweight and healthy. The reed-thin part sometimes involves unhealthy behaviors. PS. Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. What do you think it looks like? It was a novelty in his first story and they turned it on its head when he got zapped and made super-smart, but most of the time hes very trying, especially when he gets thrown onto Voyager. Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! It took this for me to finally accept who I am. But one could argue a ship full of Barclays is not the most convincing portrait of humanity. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. Episodes will be. I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. It feels too 21st century specific as does Tillys. Just underused. Lol. They basically wrote her off the show! Im sure many may NOT be a Janeway but could at least look at her and say thats what I aspire to be. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history Shes changed. So many characters, and all were very well developed with interesting stories. It would make sense if you knew the story ;) Lets just say Jake did write his famous book a couple of years after the end of DS9, but in the years and decades ahead he went on to much bigger things and took his career and his life in a very different direction. That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. You know what, fvck you, Vulcan Soul. A person who we see strive to make themselves a better person. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. Even Picard has his own show. And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. Well said, Edward. Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! Ive finally had the chance to reply to your comment about Lue Elizondo etc on the other thread. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. Ive re-learned through life experiences how to stop and smell the roses again you might say, among other things. Being encouraged to eat only what ones body needs is another thing entirely. It felt like an organic exit, and with the way that others said goodbye to her, it . (Hey, Im likely one of the oldest people here, and its too easy/lazy to remain stuck in the 1960s and 70s! There are a number of places you can receive professional help and I strongly recommend you seek that help. Therefore, I love her. That sort of thing contributes to some pretty hardcore dysmorphia sure, they are famous and have luxuries and money so many of us dont, but hearing stories like how Carrie Fisher was told she should lose weight to be able to reprise Leia, or how Kumail Nanjani is scarily fixated on his physical appearance now is sad. All those wonderful things that dont make you a good human being. Shes magnetic. Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. Hes been very creative in using callbacks and interweaving eras in his own work. Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? Too nervous and anxious. Its odd that the bridge crew still feels in the background although they are being used more. But to play the Devils Advocate here for a moment Tilly as she was originally presented and continued to be for quite some time is not something most women would aspire to be I should think. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. And, in that sense, it is okay to be used as it was above. Youve got to hand it to Harry Kim. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. I echo your sentiments exactly, David. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. However, I do struggle with popular media normalizing unhealthy weights whether over or underweight because they are health risks. This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. No one of my Trekkie friends, growing up with TNG watch this anymore. I believe we can thank Mack for helping the Showrunners and writers identify species that would work in Prodigy and for some deep cuts. Have to disagree. Obligatory mention of the stupid turbolifts and how dumb they are. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. Sincerely, obesity is defined in terms of the proportion of body fat associated higher risk of illness. Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. Like damn the guy's 90 ffs give him a break. Took time to reset the franchise. What do you mean? That finale appearance was basically a cameo. Weve seen a lot of big men in Star Trek but no big girls. The mirror Tilly and the ISS Discovery appear in the "Mirror of Discovery" storyline in Star Trek Online, as part of the game's 9th anniversary in January 2019; she is voiced by Mary Wiseman, who also . With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. Not holding my breath hes given the job though, especially since we know Saru is coming back. I agree 100%. It has also been speculated that Wiseman may be moving over to the proposed Starfleet Academy show openly discussed by Alex Kurtzman and Paramount+ execs but not yet officially ordered as a series. Tilly appears twice in the Star Trek: Discovery season 5 trailer. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. 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Im mostly just curious if Tillys removal from Disco came from Wiseman looking to do other projects or if they wrote it in and broke the news that she was getting cut as a regular. And to be honest, her character has regressed significantly over the past few years. But I really do like Book a lot! Fitness may be in the eye of the beholder, as hes commented himself that contempories his age have to hit the head just a bit more often. You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. Learning? The show had its official opening on Monday, March 21st, and is currently set to run through April 24. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. As an officer shes supposed to be leader. For more info or tickets visit the Lincoln Center Theater site. Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. With predictive spelling and multiple languages available, incorrect word choice is a constant threat even when one does type in the correct word. Have you ever read those? I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. And more importantly, were back to exploring both the prime universe and 24th century again we havent done since Voyagers final season, which was 20 years ago this year! Agree. Episodes will be. However, even if the Academy series moves forward, it likely wouldnt go into production in 2022 or even 2023, leaving plenty of time for Tilly to appear in season five of Discovery. Neither she nor anyone else with common sense is celebrating obesity. Too nervous and anxious. She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. Smart doesnt mean competent. Star Trek is supposed to be socially progressive but this show went too far. 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And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. https://t.co/zV56ClHoUZ, Kate Mulgrew (@TheKateMulgrew) December 18, 2020. Roddenberrys imprint on Next Gen made the characters not flawed enough for some tastes, granted, but Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise have countless examples of human foibles and emotions sure, not to the degree as Discovery, with its ship full of Barclays as one commenter put it, rhetorically. Book is Han Solo. With Discovery now firmly planted in the distant future, Paradise notes the importance of ensuring that that show remains connected to the larger Star Trek universe through well-placed references . Tilly is justannoying. In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. She wrote ten books based around this concept and still writing them. My condolences to you, for your mum. I do not endorse body-shaming in any way, as I was bullied as a kid years ago. I could watch Tilly all day! [laughs] Everybody loves Tilly. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. She cant control her weight. As someone with severe and sometimes crippling anxiety whos managed to have a pretty successful high-pressure career, I question your assertion that she never would have graduated Starfleet., You clearly never served in a military environment. Seasons one through three are available to stream now on CBS All Access. Mary's fans are curious to know if she is indeed expecting a little one but the rumors are false. (But then she has always reminded me, her looks and bubbliness, of my cousin who just so happens to be a wonderful teacher. We have both Mary Wiseman and Sonequa Martin-Green talking about body issues, Kate Mulgrew jumping in too, and some more behind-the-scenes photos. David Ajala: Ive never thought about that. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. That being said, knowing what weight restrictions there are for men and women serving avoid combat ships in todays Navy, my bet would be she would need to lose some weight to preserve her shipboard assignment in todays real-world Navy. For me, DS9 was the best Star Trek Show for character development. Its very likely shell be on the Star Fleet Academy show if she continues as a regular/recurring character on a Trek show. Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. Finally, actress Rekha Sharma shared this fun behind-the-scenes photo with Doug Jones and David Benjamin Tomlinson, where she lamented Landry being killed off yet again. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. David Ajala: Yeah, absolutely. As a Black girl, I felt I was supposed to look this way. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. Not Mary Wisemans fault; the writers fault. I keep hearing the word heartthats the poorest excuse yet. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. Come on she looks great. For now, Wiseman is busy starring in the new comedy play At the Wedding at the Lincoln Center Theater in New York. Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. In a Paramount+ featurette (which you can see below) about the making of the episode, Wiseman talks about how Tilly has changed: Coming back for the finale was really exciting for me because she comes back in this fully black Starfleet suit. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons.